'Etiquette' vs. 'The Rules' ... calling fouls

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It seems as though Etiquette 'rule' XIX-A is not in the true spirit of the game. Here's why:


XIX-A says:


"If a foul is committed and not called, the player who committed the foul should inform the infracted player of the foul."


Yet foul rule XVI-I-3 says:


"A foul can only be called by the player who has been fouled and must be announced by loudly calling out the word foul! immediately after the foul has occurred."


Now these rules are consistent. No problems there. I can follow both rules and not "feel illogical". The following situation just seems a bit unspirited:


- foul happens

- no call

- I say "by the way, you fouled me"

- he says "Foul"

- I say "sorry too late, you can't call a foul"

- I say "HA!"


To do otherwise is not consistent with the rules....other than the whole HA thing....


[see link for quoted rules]


Dave

... this is a troll, right?


It HAS to be... anyone knows that "HA" is definitely in the rules... the rules talk about fair play, and there's no other better way to help ensure fair play than by having fun and getting to know the other team on a personal level... laughing and joking is all part of this... when I laugh it sounds something like "hahaha"... sometimes shortened to simply HA to save my breath. All part of ensuring fair play.

Hehe, good old semantics, I love it.


Correct me if I'm wrong but what you've implied, but didn't say, was that it would be too late to

call a foul, as the foul must be called immediately.


We know that:


A) the definition of immediately is "without interval of time",


B) and it takes some interval of time for your brain to recognize a foul, and for the command to

call "Foul" to be processed by your vocal chords,


Therefore it is impossible to call a foul legitimately, without first predicting the foul is about to

occur, and timing your foul call to exactly coincide with the foul.


I should think that the first audible sound of the word "Foul" must occur at the exact instant that

the final [edited, changed "first" to "final" 7/21] requirement for that foul is met.


Obviously since the "f" sound of the word "Foul" is a soft one, you'll need to accurately time when

the "f" sound reaches the audible threshold for the average person.


I would further suggest that you would not have to calculate the length of time for that "f" sound of

foul to reach the fouler's ears at the speed of sound, as there's no rule that says the call must be

heard immediately.


Finally I suppose that if you were to mis-time your foul call so that the "f" sound became audible

slightly before or after the exact instant that the first requirement for that foul is met, then it

would not be a legitimate foul.


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Now Dave, if you were serious about you post I apologize for the smart-assed response. My serious

response is "immediately" must be interpreted as something like "as soon as possible after the foul

is recognized".

Jon By Jon

And I'm sure it's just a typo, but you mean "by the way, I fouled you", not "by the way, you fouled me", right?

Actually Jon, that's how it was in the 9th Edition, but now that we're in the 10th, we can't call a foul unless we get permission from the person who's fouled us, so David's right.


Offense: By the way, you fouled me, right?


Defense: Yes, that's right. You should call it.


Offense: FOUL!


Defense: Contest!

Ah....one has to love sarcasm. Thanks for the responses guys....they were very entertaining.


The whole "immediate" discussion was very informative. Pretty tought to do something without a loss of time. Time is tricky that way.


:)

Jon By Jon

Mortakai, the more I read that, the funnier it gets.