LGBT TEAM? ANYONE INTERESTED?

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I was just wondering if anyone from the LGBT community would like to make a team. Or if there is one tell me cause I would like to join. If anyone is interested email me at smartguy_@hotmail.com or just post a reply

wats lgbt?

LGBT... Little Girls with Big T...


They don't lay out too much.


And yelling "nice D" has new meaning.

LGBT means lesbian , gay ,bisexual, and transgendered, basically a queer ultimate team

I'm not sure that anyone has ever been so wrong before, Mort.


As for the LGBT team, I am not aware of one existing.

well not in vancouver at least

The same notion exists in Ultimate's winter cousin, curling! The VCC has gay/lesbian teams and a pink broom bonspiel! It would be a nice addition to Flower Bowl or to a rec tourney like Elim 8's (July 1) to have a LGBT team this summer.


VUL members? anyone?

Real classy Mortakai! Exactly how old are you?

Is there some underlying humour that I am missing from your post?

i know get real mort

Easy there fella's. I had no idea what it meant and was trying to be silly. Sorry if I struck a nerve or something else that hurt. I can pass along my Dr.'s phone number if you need your script filled.

Mort, i thought that was funny as hell.

Copied and pasted from the dreaded sunglasses thread....


Morty:

From my perspective it looked more like you shot your mouth off and made yourself look ignorant.

Frankly I thought everybody knew what LGBT means by now, esp. in Vancouver where gay issues

and gay pride get plenty of media coverage. I wasn't going to involve myself in the discussion but

when you blow off your ignorance by claiming that the subject of the joke simply lacks a sense of

humour I gotta call you on it.


If your comment was simply a joke, you should have apologized when you found out it was quite

offensive to some of your audience IMO.


Believe me I've jammed my foot in my mouth lots too, but getting defensive about it, while a

natural reaction, may not be the correct one.

..->when you found out it was quite offensive to some of your audience <--


is when you lay it on thick. It helps to thicken the skin of some of our more sensitive folks....and if they are still upset, lay it on thicker.....


If you dont like a joke, or take it the wrong way and get upset, go home until you figure it out. We dont need a bunch of whiners taking all the fun out of OF. If you are not careful you will end up like OCUA being JCLPCA's.


(and I did not know what LGBT was either but laughed my ass off at little girls big...)

... also copied from the sunglasses thread... and there's other stump/temple back-and-forths there if you want more entertainment...


Okay, since we're discussing me, I hope we don't mind if I add a little.


Yes, I understand some confusion may exist on the topic of a Vancouverite claiming ignorance to what LGBT/GLBT means? I'd like to add, that this would be even more confusing when I mention that I have a dependent who is gay and with whom I have a very good day-to-day relationship with, and I still *claim* to not know what it means. What can I honestly say other than I didn't know what is meant and whenever faced with an acronym that is ambiguous, I always come back with something that causes people to groan and say, "how did you ever come up with *that*... you really *are* a warped human being". (a common phrase heard being said in my direction at work all the time) If someone doesn't want me to do that, they know to define an acronym for me if there will be any question. And now *you* know that too.


Let's see, what else did I just read (sorry I'm old and have a worsening memory)... I don't think I actually made an apology (or a faux apology), did I? If I did, for that I *do* apologize, for I didn't mean to, or at least shouldn't have, for I don't think I had anything to apologize for. It was an innocently made comment... and if you know me, a 'feeble' attempt at silly humour.


If someone else assumes that it was in poor taste, or that I don't respect them, or that I'm chauvenistic or a homophobe or lecherous, then they obviously don't know me or understand what I'm about. Sure, it's wrong of me to assume that everyone will "get me", although I think my main response to the reactions was claiming a lack of a sense of humour. I think what I probably meant to say, and should have said instead was that they had a lack of a sense of *my* humour. But I think that's it.


on edit: oh, you're right, I *did* use the word "sorry". Although I have a difficult time in seeing how you could misinterpret as it attempting to appear to be any kind of apology. Certainly not defensive though, rather simply calling someone on something just like an attempt is being made now to call me on something... but that doesn't mean anyone is being defensive, does it?

JCPLA? Jefferson County Public Library Association is what came up on the all powerful Google...

JCLPCA... well you *know* that *I* could come up with something, but I can't promise someone won't get upset.


...although why Jealous Comedians Like Penis-shaped Candied Almonds so much, I'll never know. I would think that *All* comedians would like them.


:)


on edit: found out what the acronym means, btw (from the OCUA site). It's not so good, but it's "Johny (sic) Come Lately, Politically Correct Asses". Sounds appropriate. I've also brought along a link to a cartoon that I'm sure will offend way more people than I already have. See below.

"Easy there fella's. I had no idea what it meant and was trying to be silly. Sorry if I struck a nerve

or something else that hurt. I can pass along my Dr.'s phone number if you need your script filled."


Sure, you get a pass on the first faux pas. Could happen to anyone I suppose. But your response

is what I found curious. It was pretty obvious to me that Doodle felt offended (by his post in

response) and you chose to blow it off. That's not Doodle's problem, it's yours.


It wouldn't matter if the subject was sexuality, politics, religion, or what have you... I think when

you've offended someone the onus is on you to make an apology out of respect for others'

feelings. Call it overly-sensitive, I call it good manners. Whatever.

It wasn't obvious to me that I offended either Doodle or rome, especially considering that two earlier responses by Doodle didn't address my earlier comments at all. Saying my response wasn't classy and to "get real" doesn't automatically imply that it was also offensive. But then, I assume honest and transparent communications, and not that I really need to attempt to *read into* what's being said beyond what's being said, especially in something that's simply written word without tonal inflection and body language.


I think I've clearly demonstrated in the past here on the forums (and do so openly in person as well) that where I believe I've gone a bit beyond where I should have in my comments, that I've sincerely apologized. However, I can only do that when I realize it's happened, which also means that it actually needs to have actually happened.


So let me do *this* then...


Doodle and rome: Did I offend you with my original comments, or did you simply think I was being stupid and childish? (...or of course, any of many, many other not mutually exclusive options)


on edit: I've added an email link in case Doodle and/or rome would prefer to provide comments only and directly to me. And no, I won't copy/paste your private email here for all to see, what goes on in Vegas stays in Vegas. (Which is hardly fair considering my wife's just on her way back from Vegas... and oh crap, I'm late to pick her up... better run!)

"I think when you've offended someone the onus is on you to make an apology out of respect

for others' feelings. "


Even when those people get offended by something that didn't exist, but they read into a

statement?


Get real. If you spend your days worrying and apologising for all the wrong conclusions that

people jump to around you, you're not going to have much time to live.


--


Anybody that was offended that Mort didn't show the proper respect for the LGBT community

in his post is projecting *way* to many of their own issues onto his comment.


It was obvious from his post that he had no idea that the topic was even remotely on a

Lesbian Gay Bisexual Transgendered topic, therefore it must be obvious that his comments

had nothing to do with LGBT. It was a mixup, but nothing to be apologized for.


If people took offense that a mixup occured around the subject of LGBT, then I think that's a

case of people getting their irrational LGBT hackles up. How could you possibly take offense

to that, unless you've got a huge blind-spot around LGBT issues in your mind, a short-wired

reflex to, in this case go on the defensive. I feel this pro-(or friendly or whatever)LGBT reflex

is awfully similar to (though much, much, *much* less harmful than) having an anti-LGBT

blind-spot reflex.


I'd argue that

that's something you should change as it's not a healty way to look at it. Treating any people

as special, whether in a positive or negative way indicates some prejudice, and is not good.

Although of course again, being prejudicially positive towards something like LGBT issues is

much, much, *much* less harmful than negative.


--


The point is that if you've got a special category set aside in your mind for people with a

certain sexual preference, that category has special rules that dictate the way you think

and act around them or the subject of those people, and those rules are different from the

rules you have from

everybody else, then there's a problem with the way you are thinking of those

people.


Unless there's a *damn* good reason for thinking of them as "different" from

everybody

else, treat people with equality. I don't think of LGBT people as different from anybody else,

and I'd encourage all of you to

think the same.

You seem to have a blind spot w/r/t to what I actually said, namely that while the original comment

can be forgiven as a case of being un-knowing, once it became clear that Mort had rubbed Doodle

the wrong way, an apology for doing so was in order IMO. It doesn't matter if one meant to do it or

not. Would you refuse to apologize if you accidentally stepped on someone's foot on the bus?


Don't spin this into something it's not. It's not about sexual orientation. I would say the same thing

if LGBT, stood for Latino, Bolivian, Grenadian, and Tobagan, or Lutheran, Baptist, Gnostic, Taoist.

--> once it became clear that Mort had rubbed Doodle the wrong way <--


I'm not convinced this actually *is* the case, at least not so far as to warrant an apology such that is being asked for.


However, I think the biggest injustice in all of this is that *no-one* has picked up at all on braud_01's *gross* attack at all true-blooded english speaking canadians in his blatent and ignorant spelling and grammatical errors in the very first reply to this thread!!!


--> wats lgbt? <--


Where's the capitalization??!!! Where's the appropriate apostrophes?!!!??? Where's the attention to spelling!!??!!! Most importantly... where's all the grammar and spelling nazi's when I need them the most to deflect all this heat away from ME!!!!?????!!!!!! [And no, I'm *not* invoking Godwin's law]


Oh, and I very seriously apologize to any of the Nazi's out there who don't give a crap about grammar and spelling, I did not mean to imply that you all are like this or offend you in such a bad way.


You're right, Buck... this *is* fun!


Okay, really and seriously everyone. I didn't mean to get anyone's back up... if you knew me at all, you know that's not what I'm all about. When I met Chris Van Holmes in Montreal about a month ago for the SRC meeting, he suggested that I get a light-bulb permanently mounted above my head that would go off when I was about to say something ... er, shall we just say "silly"... just so he'd know whether to pay attention to what I was about to say or not. It's a pretty good suggestion actually, and certainly would help in situations just like this. Ah well, technology is not there yet.


Life's really too short to not have a good time... and I know we all think this way because *this* is the sport we've chosen to focus at least some of our time on. Discuss on as you will, although that's mainly *my* thoughts on the matter.

"Mort had rubbed Doodle the wrong way, an apology for doing so was in order IMO. It doesn't

matter if one meant to do it or not. Would you refuse to apologize if you accidentally stepped on

someone's foot on the bus?"


Actually I think you're missing my point. I understand exactly what you're saying, and I'm

replying to that.


The gist of my entire response is that I'm saying that nobody had any justification for getting

offended, with reasoning inline. Thus Mort has nothing to apologize for.


If somebody gets offended because they think I stepped on their foot, but I didn't, I am required

to give no apology. Is it nice for me to? Sure, it'll take one for the greater good. Does anybody

have the right to expect me to? No way.

I found the comments offensive. I don't belong to either the people in Mort's original definition of

LGBT, or the more common one. Am I being touchy? I don't think so. Would I be allowed to be

offended if someone used a racial slur for a non-white person even though I'm as Caucasian as

they come?

ok i think I should settle this so you guys can stop bickering and trying to out thinking each other. I mean sure I thought the joke was lame and I was a little offended because I would think that every one would know what LGBT would mean ,but i guess apparently not, so then it sorta felt like he was going out of his way to make light of it but what ever. I didnt' really care too much i've heard worse. I donno if he should appologize to me i mean just saying he was just kidding would have been fine. I said "get real" as in get serious and not to be lame cause i wanted to make a team.I think you guys might be making a big deal of this and it's not really a big deal. But like alot of things like racism and the feminist movement and stuff like that it has to become an issue before it can become a non issue so i guess it's just natural for this to happen.


If anything I'm more saddend that this has become some thing about being PC and what ever and all I wanted to do is meet some LGBT people in ultimate and make a team. So yeah if we could get back to that cause i still want to.


so yeah tag me back at smartguy_@hotmail.com

as a totally nuetral 3rd party here observing this little scrap here i though it would be a good time to wiegh in and throw my 2 cents into the fire


1st off am a not of the LGBT community however i have many friends (over 15 who are 2 of which are family members, so i am no stranger to the issues faced by these members of society or the prejudice they face)


i found NO reason for offense whatsoever in the original remark to the LGBT community, it was simply an attempt at humor (some would say poor) by mort nothing more. perhaps i am just as twisted as temple or mort or perhaps doodle was looking for a reason to take offense but at this point the statement


"I found the comments offensive. I don't belong to either the people in Mort's original definition of LGBT, or the more common one. Am I being touchy? I don't think so. Would I be allowed to be offended if someone used a racial slur for a non-white person even though I'm as Caucasian as they come?"


sounds not only touchy but also sounds like your being so for the sake of aurgument rather then any real reason, which could actually hurt a person on the forums when a REAL reason to take offense over LGBT issues comes up




Damn. I got timed out. Had a eloquent defence going there. I'll try again.


I think people are missing the point if they think my concerns are related to either gay-ness or

political correct-ness. I think one could look at the rules of the forum and see how Mort's comments

are pretty borderline in that regard IMO.


I just don't think it's funny to make jokes about the size of women's breasts - large or small. The

original comment fails a pretty simple test for me. I wouldn't be comfortable if he was talking about

my Mom, my sister, or my daughter in that manner. I wish I'd called him on it immediately, so that

part of the argument didn't get mis-construed as me trying to be Super-Hetero Homo-Defender

Man.


I didn't think it was particularly gracious to blow off Doodle with a joke about getting a prescription if

he was hurt, nor do I think it (the "relax it was just a joke" post) would particularly encourage

someone who is L,G,B, or T to want to join his team because I think it would suggest a disrespectful

environment. So, I think a couple of disservices were done there.


I don't think you get to choose whether or not you offend someone. If you say something, and it's

offensive to someone, deal with it... don't tell them to relax. Who know's why they are offended

and further what does it matter? Make amends. Pretty simple.


I do however think it's funny to be accused of being overly-P.C. or sensitive. To paraphrase Mort,

anyone who knows me isn't likely to place those traits among my top ten characteristics.


So, if any of that offends anyone, my apologies.


Good luck with your team Doodle.


respect (to all) as Ali G sez.



Classic.


PS: If you ever do get 'timed out' when posting (ie: you get the login page instead of the thread

page), you can simply hit your back button, and copy what you'd written. Alternatively you can

hit your back button, hit the link for say the "Forum" tab to open in a new window (this will

create a new session), then you can hit submit on the page with your reply and it will

automagically work.

how was i looking to be offended? i just said

"I didnt' really care too much i've heard worse. I donno if he should appologize to me i mean just saying he was just kidding would have been fine."

and if you look at my posts i just answered his joke with what LGBT meant and nothing more, like i said i didn't really care much i just thought the joke was dumb. I just added a tiny comment " get real" after someone else made some noise about it and then all hell broke loose.

*laughs*


That's awesome. A big debate about defending the LGBT community, when the local (and allegedly offended) LGB or T (I assume?) in the thread doesn't need defending. ;)


Good on you for having thick skin Doodle. To everyone else, well, good on you for trying to debate the merits of proper society and ettiquete, even if it appears it wasn't needed. :)


I enjoyed the read. :)

Actually it was 1 person standing up for somebody else, calling for an apology, and the rest of

the people (including said possibly offended person) saying that there was no apology required.

"That's awesome. A big debate about defending the LGBT community, when the local (and allegedly offended) LGB or T (I assume?) in the thread doesn't need defending. ;)"


I? what does I stand for?

->"I just don't think it's funny to make jokes about the size of women's breasts - large or small."


What body parts are acceptable for (your idea of PC) jokes?


->"I wouldn't be comfortable if he was talking about my Mom, my sister, or my daughter in that manner. "


Nobody was.....


->"I didn't think it was particularly gracious to blow off Doodle with a joke...I think it (the "relax it was just a joke" post) would particularly encourage someone ... to join his team"


Hey Stump relax it was just a joke......


->"If you say something, and it's offensive to someone, deal with it... don't tell them to relax"


Um, if you misconstrue something, you should apologise. Not the person you have misunderstood.


->"I do however think it's funny to be accused of being overly-P.C. ...anyone who knows me isn't likely to place those traits among my top ten characteristics."


After reading your post I WOULD put PC'ness near the top or your ten characteristics....

I tried the back button Temple. Didn't work this time.


Oh well, I thought I'd say how I felt. Y'all can call me P.C. if that's what works for you. I'd call it respect. If you think it's OK to make jokes about how people look in a public forum, where will you draw the line? Fat? Ugly? Warty? Crippled? But enough about your Mommas. Now that I know where we stand, I can drop in my own little zingers as I see fit too I suppose.


Later, Guys Biting Testicles ;-)









A question for Stumpy...


Isn't your nickname related to your physical appearance?


And how long have I been the butt of 'bald' jokes and 'old' jokes, half of them perpetuated by me-myself-and-I? (Damn! I've said 'butt'. I hope no one who has one is offended.)


We are visual creatures, and often relate to each other based on appearances or perceptions. We often describe people in a way that draws attention to their most apparent feature. 'Big nose' 'Big feet' 'Red hair' 'Really short'


In this case, you think Mort stepped over the line. He's apologized. He's explained very clearly about some of his sensitivities related to your complaint. He's not a red-necked idiot. (Apologies to all things red, people with necks, and genuine idiots out there.) He'll look you in the eye when he talks to you -- not at your breasts or at your package -- and he's pretty reasonable.


I say we give this one a rest...


Dear Ratty:


Sure, Stumpy is related to how I look. But... I'm OK with it, it's directed to me as an individual, and its not linked to my behaviour or athletic ability. Heck, I chose it as my nickname for this forum, no one foisted it on me. That seems to me to be a big difference here -- between needling a particular person, and a blanket jab at an entire subset of people who fit a particular mold. Replace big breasts with a race, or colour, and then link it to a type of behaviour. Would it be acceptable? Maybe if you know who you're talking to, but probably not in a public venue.


Also, I'm definitely not trying to paint Mortakai as a bad person. In fact, based on most of his posts, I'd say he's a pretty stand-up guy. I just felt the comment was in poor taste. It's important to separate the censure of the behaviour from censure of the person as a whole.


To summarize. Most of us can't choose how we look. But we can choose whether or not we want to make fun of people based upon the physical attributes they were born with. I vote we choose not to.

"Actually it was 1 person standing up for somebody else, calling for an apology, and the rest of the people (including said possibly offended person) saying that there was no apology required."


Temple. I wasn't 'standing up' for anyone, but for a principle. If you're going to describe my buttinsky behaviour, get it right mmmkay?


regards,

S.

"Even when those people get offended by something that didn't exist, but they read into a statement?"


Sure why not?


Person One: "I'm sorry, I think you've misinterpreted what I meant to say. Please don't regard it as a slight towards you or your (fill in appropriate descriptor here)."


Person Two: "Oh, no worries then."


How hard is that? Everybody is happy, no one loses face. Win-win.

->"Replace big breasts with a race, or colour, and then link it to a type of behaviour. "


ya, and link that to a certain person and link that person to a white sheet.....


Stump, there was no link to any person in particular. If you cannot take a bum, tit or bathroom joke (even if you dont like them) ignore them.


BTW: I did not read an apology from Mort for the joke. I did read where he's sorry for people like........oh never mind, I might say something that someone somewhere will misread as racist because you can link big tits to a certain person and link that person to a particular race or colour and link that to a behavior..... sheesh....

Uncle Buck:


Don't lay this "if you can't take a joke" crap on me dude. Congratulations. You've managed to entirely miss my point.

Sorry if I entirely missed your point..(see it is the person doing the misinterpering that apologises).


I wont apologise if I didn't do anything wrong. It is a sign of weakness. (or JCLPCA-ness if you prefer).

I'm just sitting here with a blank screen, just not knowing what to say. I'm not sure whether to attempt to defend myself, when I don't think I need to, so not much to say there. I don't want to reiterate points I've already made... I ramble too much as it is, don't you all think? So not much to say there either. How about that... Mortakai speechless...


Okay, now that I'm warmed up, let me just drop in a few random thoughts...


A previous love-interest of mine, with an AA bra-size, wore a t-shirt that said "Itty Bitty Titty Committee". I don't think people took offense at that.


I've heard here recently that the UBC women's team calls themselves the "titty birds". Sounds appropriate. and non-offensive. At least not on an Ultimate board, which is certainly a sport with many provocative team names and raunchy cheers (when cheering is done anymore).


I've asked my step-son if he took offense that I didn't know what those four letters meant (he is in one of those groups). He scanned down to my initial reply and thought it was hilarious.


I've asked my wife, who happens to be a D-cup, what she thought of my reply, and she also thought it was quite funny.


She also pointed out that I missed the opportunity to add something about the use of a larger cup effectively, and that a thrower on that team would have even more separation from the marker because of the disc-space rule.


Sure, it was an incredibly childish joke. I'm incredibly childish in an incredibly childish way. I figure it all just fits. Just like a good sports bra. Or two, which my wife needs to wear for it to make any difference. And she doesn't lay out.... well not playing Ultimate anyway.


Now my mom's another story... not *all* the rumours are true though.


... are we done yet?

"I wont apologise if I didn't do anything wrong. It is a sign of weakness."


Is it? Or is it a sign of insecurity?

Your ex-girlfriend can wear any t-shirt she likes. But there are places where she'd be asked to cover it up right? The UBC women can call themselves anything they like, but I doubt our local papers would refer to them as such in an article. Your step-son and wife can laugh all they want at your jokes.


But THIS is a public forum. And as the rules for it state, we should remember that and act accordingly. Perhaps it's not the place for incredibly childish jokes? That's all I'm saying really.


I know I'm done.

I wasn't trying to say that it was my step-son and wife laughing at my jokes, I was trying to say that it was a gay man and woman with a D-cup who didn't take offense at what was said, and neither thought it was inappropriate. And I bet that my ex would not be asked to get rid of her shirt at an Ultimate game or a gay rally... well she'd be asked to, but not because it was found offensive... it's all about being with the right audience and in the right auditorium, isn't it?


I'd also have thought that, while this is a public forum, since it's a forum within and used predominantly by the Ultimate community, who would be more tolerant of childish jokes than that?


I guess it's like the old saying... "you can please some of the people all of the time, and you can please all of the people some of the time, but you're not supposed to shoot those that you don't please." ... something like that.


... I know you said you were done, but now that I've countered, you can re-counter, and we won't call you on it. Well, not on the fact that you've re-countered when you said you were done, but of course we'll have to say something about what you said. It's what we're here for, right?

-> "I wont apologise if I didn't do anything wrong. It is a sign of ->weakness."


->Is it? Or is it a sign of insecurity?



Nope, more stubborness than anything or principles if you prefer. If you apologise it leaves the impression you did something that needed apologising for and people will truly beleive you did something wrong and judge you for it.


I have enough trouble with that without adding to it by apologising needlessly (what did he do now that he's aplologising for...oh never mind, he's a jerk, male chauvinist, bigot...whatever).

Naw, I'm really done. I wish I'd followed my first instinct. STFU Stump.


"it's all about being with the right audience and in the right auditorium, isn't it? "


Agreed.


regards.


wow thanks alot guys this is really helping me get a team together why dont' you guys just email each other already and spare us the bickering

I take offense to that! I don't know why I do, and I'm not sure that I even have a justified

reason for taking offense, but I do, and now I'm owed an apology damnit!!!


Seriously though Doodle, by my count you've only had 2 somewhat helpful replies in this

thread (finn's and Rat's), and the last of those was on May 19th.


As of the writing of this reply, if there was none of this "bickering", your post would be buried

under 26 other posts in the personal forum (there will likely be more than 26 by the time you

read this).


So, for what it's worth, all the bumping of this thread has served to keep your request front

and centre for two weeks.


Maybe Stump is actually doing something of merit (*maybe* even you should thank him for

kicking up the hornets nest of reason).


Food for thought...

I can't believe you offered that justification, Temple.


Doodle, for what it's worth, I've imagined what it would be like to have some sort of filter for these forums, one which stripped out posts from people you specified. The signal-to-noise ratio would skyrocket, I tell you. I can't count the number of threads that have been hijacked by tangential debates between a few individuals. Sure, some of those debates are interesting, but many get tiring.


</end late night rant>

Not a justification whatsoever. But it *is* an indisputable truth (we'd all agree). The bit about

thanking Stump was what I thought an obvious joke, but whether or not you saw it that way

takes nothing from the statement's validity.



The reason for the rather smug/petulant/smarmy/whathaveyou (albeit accurate) post was

that I find whining about tangents in a thread especially pointless for 3 Good Reasons (only

the 3rd would apply to this thread IMO, but they're all equally good reasons to ignore/accept

tangents), and I chose to turn the complaint at the centre of the sniveling inside out with

a preceptive counter-argument.


1. Humans communicate non-linearly. There's a lot of forums out there which have

moderators especially adept at keeping *every* thread *exactly* on topic. They're terrible

places that hinder useful conversation more than they help it via clarity.


2. Often (especially on our forum) the tangents start long after the usefulness of the thread

has come and gone. The original topic of the thread is satisfied, and now all communication is

supplementary (ie, not substituting any usefulness). The only purpose of further

communication on such a thread (like your

post just now) is because people want to have their say (the purpose of our forum), and it's

related (directly, chronologically, via word association, etc, etc, etc...) to the previous posts.

Is that a bad thing?


3. No (realistic) amount of tangential posts are going to dilute/pollute/obfuscate a potentially

worthwhile post that is ON Topic Of Original Post (we'll call this privileged type of post

ONTOOP). If somebody where to come along with a GLBT team related post (more likely

than if this thread were buried mind you), then their post would likely be read and/or emailed

to the OP in this instance.


4. Yes I can count, and I'm enumerating, but not even to counting as a Good Reason the idea

that these completely OFF Topic Of Original Post (OFFTOOP) posts served to actually keep

the ONTOOP message in the forefront for an extra week or so. This reason is a bit churlish,

while definitely true, but not worthy of Good Reason status in my mind.


--


I used a perfectly logical and true statement to illustrate just how I think that anti-tangent

whining is bad (even though I'm happy to see people post anti-tangent whining in our open

forum).


In summation, I don't think it's possible to hijack a thread. A thread is an open

communication, and it will go where it pleases. I like that fundamental idea (much better

than

structured communication in an open forum).



/ End even later mini-essay on forum tangents. :)


// No I don't think the vast majority of the OFFTOOP posts were useful in this thread, but I'm

happy to see them all the same. Whatchyou got against things that aren't useful, commie? :)


/// PS: Stump, back button works well for me, but if it doesn't for you, when you're about to

submit your Opus, select all the text and copy it. If you do get booted, you'll be able to paste

it into a new message.

> Later, Guys Biting Testicles ;-)


I can't believe no one else took a swing at this. Not to offend swingers. But seriously, there's prolly a host of testicle biters out there that are wounded in the cockles of their hearts by this. Or maybe the sub-cockles.


As to the actual question of a queer power team - my advice is to ground-up it. Get some folks from outside ulty, and bring them in on a new div 7 team, get the league to get you a mentor, and voila, a LGBT team of your own. Once word spreads, I imagine a number of current players will hop aboard.


I believe that the league and other players would be accomodating. It'll take a couple of years to get competitive, but hey, while that happens, we can occupy ourselves with more bickering about needless apologies.


Cheers,


Rob

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