Smartphone Suggestions?

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Time for me to splurge on a web-enabled smartphone. Between iPhone,
Blackberry, and Palm does anyone have a recommendation? I'm not
beholden to any of the carriers either, so making a switch to get a partic.
phone is not a problem.

thx in advance

Short answer? A safe bet is an iPhone 3G S from Rogers:

Long answer?

Pros for iPhone:
- full web browser: the killer app on the iphone
- app store: 50000 apps - you can do almost anything with the thing
- new 3G S has 3.0MP camera with video, and built-in video editing

Pros for Blackberry:
- real keyboard: this is one reason I bought a 8900 last christmas. I didn't like the touch screen keyboard on the iPhone, my primary use was email not browsing, and I actually didn't want to spend my time downloading silly apps. I still love my blackberry.
- I had other reasons, too (remote erase in case I lost it, copy/paste, good camera, video), but those things have been addressed with the 3G S.

Pros for Pre:
- full multi-tasking
- keyboard and touch screen: best of both worlds?

I've had no problems with Rogers. Friends have complaints about Telus.

I also suggest you head to retail stores during the day when they're not busy, and just play with an iPhone and Blackberry to see which you prefer. I don't think you'll be disappointed with the iPhone 3GS, though. Or if you want to wait until the fall, you could see what everyone says about the Pre and see if you like it better.

i have an ipod touch, which is basically an iphone without the phone or camera. i absolutely love it. as craig was saying, with the app store you can do pretty much anything. i have my email, calendar and contacts synced so whenever i connect to a wifi network with it, it automatically will download my email and update my calendar

the only con ive heard about the iphone is the short battery life. definitely go and check them out in store and see what feels better

I'll throw my support for the iPhone. The others are Smart Phones. The iPhone is a Pocket
Computer. A small fraction of my time using it is making calls, checking email, or browsing
the web (all of which it does quite well). I also got very good WPM on the keyboard within
the first week (also, if you turn the device landscape and your keyboard grows to twice the
size of most smart phones).

With 50,000 apps (and growing at an accelerated pace), chances are very good that, as the
commercials say there's an app for something you want to do. Most are "silly little apps", but
so many are very useful.

You can't underestimate the iPhones very powerful Google Maps implementation. It's
incredibly slick, better than the web-browser version in many respects.

Maybe you'd like the Translink app, or a bicycle gear calculator, maybe you'd like one of the
apps that track your rides via GPS and lets you look at the route you took and all the stats
afterwards. Don't forget the games, there's lots of casual games. I'm partial to the 2 Across,
Sudoku, and other puzzle apps, I'm never going to buy a $7 puzzle book when I go on a plane

I spend a lot of time checking out fun recipes on the Epicurious or AllRecipes apps. The cool
WinePad app lets you take a picture and add notes on wine you find that you like so you can
search through it later.

I love the Movies apps, which I'll usually grab before my laptop when both are in reach,
because it's much quicker to find what's playing with my phone.

Yeah, there are tide chart, wind power, and moon phase apps, if you're into kite boarding or
astronomy. There's that neat app that will listen and tell you what song is playing (I don't
really use that, but it did come in handy once). Then there's the really neat apps, like the
ones that will play binaural tones to help you either get to sleep or help you study, or boost
your alertness, or some other woo-woo stuff.

We didn't even mention multi-touch. All those other smart phones have their touch-screen
limited to a single touch. There's all kinds of intuitive user interface that comes with the
iPhone's ability to track several fingers touching at once.

I hope you see from that absolutely tiny tip of the iceberg, that with 50,000 apps, and way
more coming out every day, that your Pocket Computer will have way, way, way more
functionality than your Smart Phone will ever have. Yes, the competitors are coming out with
app stores too, but there isn't anywhere near the number of people actually making apps for

Note: The iPhone's battery is the same or better than other 3G cell phones. If you turn off the
3G functionality, the battery life skyrockets. That said, I get a day and a half with regular
use, so I plug it in every night before bed. Oh, did I mention that my iPhone replaced my
alarm clock? It makes a better alarm clock than any I've ever had before.

Thanx dudes. You've confirmed my suspicions that I'm an iPhone owner in waiting. Appreciate
y'all taking the time to post.

It filets, it chops, it dices, slices,
Never stops, lasts a lifetime, mows your lawn
And it mows your lawn and it picks up the kids from school
It gets rid of unwanted facial hair, it gets rid of embarrassing age spots,
It delivers a pizza, and it lengthens, and it strengthens
And it finds that slipper that's been at large
under the chaise lounge for several weeks
And it plays a mean Rhythm Master,
It makes excuses for unwanted lipstick on your collar

Just remember though, the large print giveth, and the small print taketh away

--Tom Waits, Consumer Watchdog

a telco with hidden fees. Surely you jest Speedarino!?

I've always been partial to:

"He came back from the war with a party in his head, and an idea for a fireworks display."

Substitute C-Fest or VHF for 'war' for super-duper Ulty appropriateness.

emd By emd

And don't forget that starting in Sept, the iPhone will work on Telus' network. I am planning on grabbing an older 3G and putting it on Telus' network.

emd By emd

"And don't forget that starting in Sept, the iPhone will work on Telus' network. I am planning on
grabbing an older 3G and putting it on Telus' network."


Telus will have GSM before long, but as far as I know Rogers/Fido still has exclusivity.

If you're waiting for anything, wait until December when a fourth national carrier, Globalive,
comes online. They will have zero customers, and will be pricing their plans to steal. The Big
Three are certainly not going to keep their prices the same and allow their clients to be stolen,
so there should be some decent cell plans coming finally to Canada before long.

I just heard something briefly about something called the "Google Phone" and that it's the next open-source up-and-coming do-dad thingy. Maybe somebody else can elaborate?

Another thing, Blackberrys have the ability to text one another for free with a cheaper data package. They also communicate more securely, which is why they are the smrtphone of choice for both the cops and organized crime.

Google's created an operating system for handhelds called Android, and multiple manufacturers will be creating phones with that OS. Some netbooks are even coming out with it, too.

Here's a feature comparison chart for smartphone OS's (except the iPhone 3GS does record video):

"If the iPhone is for the common man, WinMo for the executive, Android for the programmer and BlackBerry for the information junkie, WebOS could very much be for the savvy kids trying to stay on top of social media and Web 2.0"

A cautionary article re. productivity with an iPhone:

Suggesting that users ought to be cautious about the productivity of the iPhone, in the context
of a "which phone is better" discussion is a bit misleading. Definitely be aware that an iPhone
will not let you be as productive as a laptop, but neither will any phone.

Yes it's true, you can't be as productive on a device that fits in your pocket as you can be on
your computer at work. I didn't think anybody was expecting that, but pointing it out the way
he did sure draws a lot of hits to your blog.

You'll note that he was very careful not to say that you could be more productive on another

He's got two major complaints. No no hard-keyboard, and no multi-tasking. Here's my
thoughts on both:


First off, the keyboard. I and a great many others really like the soft keyboard. It's really
fast, and I wouldn't want 1/3 to 1/2 of my device (or a significant amount of bulk) dedicated
to a keyboard that I use a small fraction of the time. I really like that the keyboard magically
appears when I need it, and I can type quite quickly with it, then it goes away. I also like
that I can do this without requiring a second hand to physically access the keyboard.

Oh, and there's this article which is fun. A study found that many Palm Pre owners wish they
had an on-screen keyboard. Even the ones that went with Palm because it had physical keys.
Turns out they don't like having to slide out their keyboard all the time (like when all they
need is to type in a word or two in a search box, etc).


"The experience on an Android device, S60, the Pre, a BlackBerry, or even Windows Mobile
just makes more sense. Let me say that again: those experiences make more sense. Now I'm
not saying the execution of those experiences is better across platforms, but the philosophy of
letting users multitask is more natural to us."

So, it's not that the productivity or experience is better on other platforms, but it comes down
to the fact that he can run multiple apps at once.

Firstly, many apps on the iPhone will auto-save your state when you close them and launch
another app. When you come back to it, it's just where you left it. While not technically
multi-tasking as he presents it, it's not as if you have to start from a clean slate when you
come back from the other app you were using. Still, there are some needs which require
simultaneous execution, which the iPhone doesn't provide out of the box. However...

Looking over his other articles, he has jailbroken his phone previously. With a jailbroken
phone you can run multiple apps at once (which he did). It's not that onerous to run a
jailbroken phone. The reason he doesn't still do this (or really all that many that have tried it)
is because the hardware doesn't have the resources to do it. An iPhone app is usually pretty
complicated and feature rich. More so than the average app on the other smartphones.

Sure developers could create really light-weight apps which would be able to do much less
(but at the same time as doing less of something else), but there doesn't seem to be a

Interesting report here:

Highlights of the survey taken Aug 4-11:


99% of iPhone 3GS users are satisfied with it, of overall users, 81% are "very" satisfied.*
87% of Palm Pre users are satisfied with it, of overall users, 39% are "very" satisfied.*

* Percentages listed in the article of "very" satisfied users are listed as a portion of only the
satisfied users. Stats above reflect "very" satisfied user portion of all users.

Battery Life

Nearly half of users (41% iPhone, 45% Palm) dislike the battery life of the 3G-enabled
phones. You can greatly extend your battery life by turning off the 3G antenna, but the
technology is just an energy suck.


31% of iPhone users responded that one of the things they *like best* about the iPhone is the
available third party applications. By contrast 24% of Palm Pre owners responded that the
available 3rd party applications was what they *dislike most* about the Pre.